tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 12, 2016 12:00am-1:01am PDT
"hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all if" with chris hayes starts right now. >> back at it. thank you very much. good evening from new york. once again i'm chris hayes coming to you live. breaking news tonight on republican efforts to salvage donald trump's struggling campaign. politico reports campaign staff and party officials are planning what one person called and i'm not sure if they mean it ironically a come to jesus meeting tomorrow aiming to right what looks like a sinking ship. his claim repeated over and over that clinton and president obama cofounded isis which he continues to repeat at every opportunity. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis.
they are the founders. in fact, i think we'll give hillary clinton, the -- you know in you are on a sports team, most valuable player, mvp. >> he's the founder of isis. he's the most valuable player. they should give -- you know in athletics we give awards, most valuable, most valuable player. he should get the most valuable player from isis. >> hillary clinton and barack obama are the founders of isis because of bad judgment. these are the founders. >> i have been saying that barack obama is the founder. >> concerns that trump's sinking poll numbers could affect other republicans. asked about earlier report since retracted that reince priebus threatened to do that on a phone call with trump. the republican nominee responded by upping the ante. >> i mean if it is true that's
okay, too. all i will have to do is stop funding the republican party. i'm the one raising the money for them. right now i'm in orlando, i'm going to a fund-raiser for the republican party. so, if they want to do that they can save me a lot of time and energy. >> joining me is the senior editor of business insider, national reporter at the "new york times." political reporter for the times and columnist for the "washington post." all right. let's talk about the meeting. this is the new news. i feel like it is real -- i don't know if it is groundhog's day, i don't know what the right analogy of the eternal recurrence of the come to jesus meeting, and people go -- i watched on tv all day. people, people saying this, with a straight face saying he has to get better message discipline. what do you think is going to
happen. >> the entire campaign is a running intervenge. where everybody is invited in to the room and it's taking place on public tv and in papers. >> my favorite fact about the come to jesus meeting from the "politico" story is apparently donald trump will not be there. i don't understand. >> you don't have a come to jesus meeting where you convert someone's staff. >> if his staff was not up to the job -- they are not but that's not the principle job. the principal problem is him. >> they seemed frustrated when i talk to people about any subject, reach out to women, african-american voters, his overall demeanor as a president. his pivoting or unifying the party. all of that people seem frustrated. i think the issue is exactly that. he's not going to be at the meeting and i don't know what the plan is, come to jesus to
figure out how to talk to him meeting. >> we will go to someone who has strong thoughts on this in a second. i thought it was interesting where you have an initial report from reince priebus called and basically threatened. that was denied by both party and the report retracted and they sort of changed the characterization. if you were reince priebus, wouldn't you want that to be out there? why would you deny that? wouldn't it be good for everyone? >> certainly him, priebus in particular. he seems like he has sold the soul to the campaign. trump has put down some of his favorite people, including paul ryan. he has hung the rnc out to dry repeatedly, even after the rnc has saved his tushy multiple times, not least by providing staff and funding and people and organization. and so you would think he'd want to have a little dignity and stand up for himself and say i still have some control over the
story. >> i understand why but this guy -- donald trump could not care less about the fate of the republican party in this election. >> he hasn't been a republican that long. >> he cares less than i do. he does not care. >> i think the rnc reince may not want to be seen threatening donald trump is what donald trump said which is i'm the thing that makes it possible for you to raise money. >> we talked about this. they have a good small donor operation right now. >> when those 77 members say cut off his funding, he's bringing it in. >> i want to bring in to the conversation matt, the president of the potomac strategy group, long-time politico. we met years ago in austin, texas where he does consulting work. you have been on twitter, i'm not sure if melting down, tearing your hair out metaphorically, jabbing forks in your eyes, but losing you're
mind as each new piece of data comes in, as someone wedded to the republican party, what are you seeing develop as we get things like south carolina's within two and he's in georgia. what does that mean institutionally up and down the ballot for the republican party? >> as i tweeted earlier today, chris, we are at an extinction level event here. i truly think. think back to 2008 and 2009 when president obama took over. they had 60 votes in the senate for the first 14 months. we have a majority in the senate. that was built up over three election cycles, flipping the u.s. senate. we could lose the majority by a good margin if trump loses by six points or more this november. i have said all along. the gop i think was prepared to accept a reasonable loss within a range of two to four points, a romney level loss or closer. we have not been prepared to accept a blowout loss. that's the direction this thing is trending. hillary's lead was three or four points going in.
she improved her likability and numbers on honest and trustworthy which is incredible given the news developments the last couple of weeks and battleground states are turning against him. his image is upside down as bad as you have seen anyone at the national level. i look at the data and say you can't possibly win an election with your image this badly under water. >> i was looking at the data. he spent 20 to 22 points under water by white voters which gives you a sense where this is. as a descriptive matter i think you are right. but do you think there is anything to be done? >> it's a tough predicament. if they were to drop him, if leaders in congress were to drop him f the rnc stopped funding him, then you risk the trump supporters that would likely vote for republican candidates
down ballot, they are in a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't scenario. it is too late for that. north carolina's ballot deadline has passed. without north carolina there is almost no path to 270 electoral votes. we are close to a point where republicans will be every man for themselves. run your race, do what you have to do. republicans will put more to down ballot races. we have to have a check on hillary if she wins ideally in the house of representatives but the senate too. >> started to say, this is something i have seen from mike kauffman who has a contested race in a suburb of denver who's been distancing himself from trump saying i will be there to be a check on whoever is in there. making the argument before the race is finished that our person
is going to lose. so you have to get me so there is some balance. >> that's right. it depends on your political situation. kauffman's district is more competitive and larger hispanic population. pat toomey, these are tough races. they are having a tough time running their own races. every day their races are consumed by whatever stupid thing trump is saying. if i had control of the campaign, which is not clear if anyone could control the campaign but if i did the rest of the month would be discipline and focus. >> now you sound like the people i keep hearing who keep saying, nine hours where he didn't tweet. we know how this goes. we have been watching it a year. >> friday he gave a disciplined speech in green bay, endorsed
republican leaders. he was not on television over the weekend. monday he gave a disciplined speech. it wasn't until tuesday that he started to create controversies. they have to find the value of scarcity. >> that's like saying because i ran for the bus i could run a marathon. the point of discipline it has to be embraced and displayed over long time periods which is the thing the modern presidential campaign rewards more than any other thing. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> panel will stick around. more to come including donald trump continuing to insist that president obama is the founder of isis. plus, clinton is set to
the press and sometimes things have gotten so tense reporters have to be escorted to safety by secret service. katie turner explained such an incident. the crowd feeding off trump seemed to turn on me like an large animal unchained. hours later secret service took the extraordinary step of walking me to my car that the incident sank in. you have been on the trail and, you know, so we should say, reporters are in press areas often and different campaigns have different ways of how much they try to keep you. this is not, this is in another category from other campaigns. >> this is in another category because other campaigns or rallies you can go to the press tent, bathroom, interview people. i covered bernie sanders a long time. i could go in and out of the press bin all the time. when you cover donald trump his campaign staff will tell you you
can not go anywhere or leave at all. one time a protester was being carried out and i want to go and see what was going on and i said i have to go bathroom and even that was not allowed. >> you were like a kid in school lying about going to the bathroom and they wouldn't let you out. >> i was like i need to leaf now and they were like no. the energy they feed off of. i think that made the second amendment comment so visceral. people have a backlash about it. a lot of people said the energy you are creating is something you can't put back in a box. people feed off of you. if you are laughing or joking, he maybe pointing at the media and laughing but that's not what the people in the crowd feel like. >> i think all candidates hate the press. they hate us. >> hillary clinton is not super like, oh, yeah, reporters.
>> remember, bernie sanders would do a wind up on the press in some of the speeches the media is corrupt. what is different is the level donald trump takes it to. there is a whole section of a speech about it. >> that's the important part. there's abstract you can talk act the press being bad and bernie sanders had a riff in his stump speech about how they don't focus on issues and some of it is he jat mitt media critique. he wouldn't say turn around, everyone in here and two-minute hate your focus towards those. >> identify your target so you can pummel them afterwards. he used violent rhetoric at campaign rallies. i'm not sure if he used it about a reporter specifically, but protesters, i will pay your hospital bills if you slug the guy that throws a tomato at me. he knows he is feeding mob mentally and focusing the energy on that angry hateful mob on a particular target.
>> the other way it is different from other candidates, donald trump loves -- no one loves the media more than donald trump. >> this goes back to before he was a politician, in "the art of the deal" there was how he uses the press and all publicity is good publicity. is a man that leaked his own extramarital affairs. >> great point. >> hate in private in love in public. >> there's this aspect which i think is part of what the cycle bizarre. heefz constantly -- he seemingly does nothing but consume political media, particularly cable television. >> policy information. >> the only talks about himself. very evident. that's all he does, consume media about himself. >> he says the new york is
unbiased. but he said the "new york times" going out of print. this terrible place and then you see him, obviously you are reading and reading closely because you know who wrote the article and who to pinpoint. he's consuming. the people around him i think don't understand that, especially in the crowds. . it takes a level for him to understand he loves this media and that's scary and what could be dangerous is the fact people don't understand the nuances there. >> he will do this thing where he will talk about the "washington post," totally dishonest. two minutes later cite a "washington post" article about hillary clinton's e-mails or something. >> or say something crazy to a "washington post" reporter about officially banning our newspaper from covering the campaign. >> the thing where he didn't endorse paul ryan, while "washington post" was theoretically banned from covering it. >> the panel will stick around and you are going to, as well.
obama is the founder. he is the founder, in a true sense. >> fact check, that's not true. there's a founder of isis and it is not president obama. joining me to explain who it is msnbc contributor, correspondent for the new york time and reports deeply on isis. i feel there are two men you could call the founder of isis. who would you say is the founder of isis? >> isis, as you know, is a group that has gone through different it it rations. in its earliest form it was founded -- and leading up to ail al baghdadi who declared the islamic state in the current form. at least two men could hold the title, neither are president
obama. >> in terms of the context here, it is important to extent the time line of this group earlier -- depending where you are on politically and what sort of hinge you want to look at in the dwmt of this, there are different points where you can say the grouple galvanized. >> were where they essentially cross pollinated to produce the people that would run isis. >> under republican administration, you had two things you can say helped the rise of the group. one was the invasion of iraq under what we now know was false intelligence.
that helped the narrative that the jihadists are propagating that the u.s. is in a war against islam. they invaded this country because they wanted to fight with muslims rather than the actual reasons that have been articulated by that administration. the second issue is as you pointed out. it was bukha. these are all key leaders of isis ended up being in prison together. i interviewed a contractor who used to work at one of those prisons and she explained to me you could look out on the courtyard and see the extremists gathering around together and drawing diagrams in the sand, showing each other how to make ieds. these prisons are under the watch of u.s. officials long before president obama took office were truly breeding grounds for this group.
fast forward to the current administration, there's plenty of blame to go around again. now we can look at the fact the group was nearly defeated, and then due to a lack of intervention in the syrian war was allowed to grow again. >> they first grow -- this is a key point, is they really do -- they start in syria. when people talk about the obama administration's decision to adhere to status of forces agreement to remove troops per that agreement that's what created the vacuum. they really get their foothold amidst the maelstrom and come down in to iraq. >> yes, indeed. as we described they are on the last legs in iraq but they see the chaos that is enveloping syria. syria is an incredibly important
piece of their apocalyptic puzzle. they believe it is in syria that the beginning of the end of times are going to be set in to motion. for jihadists, that theater was always extremely important. in 2011, a small group of jihadists, from the group that becomes the islamic state slip in to syria and began to set up what we now know as they are so called caliphate. >> noshl am utah maybe up for grabs this year. think about it. utah. talk about it next. think about it. talk about it next. (lock clicks)
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shaking you have to get your people out to vote. especially in those states where we're represented -- i have a tremendous problem in utah. utah is a different place. is anybody here from utah? i mean -- i didn't think so. we're having a problem. >> speaking to a group of religious conservatives in orlando today, donald trump acknowledged he's had a tough fight ahead of him in utah a state that has not backed a democrat for president since lbj? '64. it comes the mormon church paper. the same week evan mcmullin announced he would run for president as an independent candidate. he is a member of the church of jesus christ latter day saints and could take votes from trump
in the heavily mormon state. what is it with mormons and donald trump? one of my favorite stats in the primaries was -- it was a correlation between trump's vote share and the percentage of mormons in a county. it was totally worst correlation. the more mormons the worst donald trump did in that county. >> basically donald trump has nothing to offer to mormon voters. utah is the most red state when it comes to presidential years by far. the problem is donald trump two of his key issues, two of the things that have defined his campaign persona are immigration, being a hawk on immigration and his rough talk on muslims, his muslim bashing. both of those are issues where mormons diverge from the republican mainstream.
they have a sensitivity to religious freedom given the faith's history, mormon's faith history, persecution and on immigration a study found mormons are twice as likely than evangelicals to support more immigration in the united states. take those off the table. there isn't a lot he has to offer to them. >> the religious freedom, the focus of the hillary clinton op-ed, the idea of a religious ban on groups to a religious minority that went through periods of relentless persecution at the hands of the american state, armed persecution that sounds bad. i think there is a third thing that is fascinating. more mondays are along the
social capital in terms of level of education, attainment, family units that are intact, right? >> yep. >> income, right. it is a group of americans doing pretty well. the whole pitch of everything's terrible, that's not going to be your best audience. >> no, mormons by and large don't feel like america needs to be great again. they feel it is pretty great now. places like utah, mormon heavy state they are at church on sundays, their schools tend to be good, they participate in pta meetings. these are places where they feel they can trust each other, they trust their institutions. they have don't feel they need a political savior to save them. >> great point. thank you. still with me at the table my panel.
i find the church of jesus christ of latter day saints as a social institution in america fascinating. also this idea that all of these states popping up that might be -- we have arizona, georgia, south carolina with plus two trump today. utah maybe problems. the map is all over the place. >> the map is interesting. a great piece showed the map with the ratio of democrats only who have a high school education to republicans who are white and have a college education and they predict how badly donald trump is doing. he is doing well in iowa, which is a state -- >> best swing state. >> because it is a state that has a lot of high school educated democrats. the best democrats he has a good position to pick up. when you look at states in the south, basically all the white people, almost all of them vote republican. there's not a lot of down scale whites for trump to pick up. he is losing college educated
whites. utah has high level of social cohesion. even if it weren't mormon you would expect some amount to drop off and additional factor of the religious objections. >> one thing i think that is particularly interesting about the comments we showed of trump saying we have a problem in utah he acknowledged there was a problem. >> it is so funny, they called it different. like, what? >> kind of quiet. >> what i mean is usually if the polls don't support him he credits the polls. he says they are rigged. they have miscalculated. the fact he is acknowledging there's a problem in utah. that he is behind in utah suggests something strange about, you know, maybe it's the reset, maybe the famed reset. >> it's getting through. >> it's getting through. >> one thing i find interesting when you think of how the maps are changing is how people, how americans are unified in some way.
you think of mormons. they are people who understand what it is like to be persecuted. they had to go to utah because they were run out of ohio and other states. when you attack muslims, they know what it feels like to be pushed off and seen as different. i should say the other thing is when you think of his attack on mexican immigrants, think of his attacks on other african-americans it didn't just offend african-americans or people of mexican heritages but suburban white voters who are college educated or decent people who say i don't want other people to be persecuted. >> i should say here, we sort of slice and dice the electorate. that's a barack obama 2004 speech line actually, in to these sub categories. these tons of white people with high school education turned off by trump. we have seen his numbers go down. among that group there's not this totally impervious.
there are some -- >> there are folks that are listening of all different backgrounds saying, yeah, i don't think you should be getting in to a feud with the khan family. >> you find those people at trump rallies. >> yes. >> i think a lot of people in the media and out in the press think a person that supports donald trump is someone that agrees with everything he says. in fact, there's a high degree of forgiveness among trump voters the things he said. they don't like it but won't abandon him for it. >> i talked to a lot of trump voters throughout the campaign, primarily when i was on the trail following the campaign. they were more apologetic, have much more -- what's the right word, familiar sense of decency about things than the candidate
they support. >> it's not just trump voters. his advisers too. one of his economic advisers gave an interview this week in which he said trump doesn't mean these things. he doesn't mean what he says but we know what he means. >> like the guy walking out -- the two dudes caught walking out of one rally. what do you think of melania, i am fine with it. >> hillary outscaring her diagnosis. i will explain ahead.
conservative advocacy group revealed one exchange from 2009 with the clinton foundation's clinton global initiative quailing secretary of state, clinton's top advisers requesting a meeting between one of the foundation's top donor and a u.s. ambassador to lebanon. the campaign suggested that mr. band was acting in his capacity as former president clinton's personal assistant not overseeing the clinton initiative. eric, i sort of go back and forth on this story. i think the doug band role here seems ambiguous. what does it matter what role he was in that e-mail? >> i think he wears so many different hats with the clintons that it's often difficult to know who is -- you know, basically who's making the ask. doug band is personal assistant
to president clinton and an old friend of his. he's a big wig at the clinton foundation. he also is bill clinton's employer for a time at his private consulting firm. when he brings someone in the door to the state department to hillary clinton's aide cheryl mills and uma abedin, it is ambiguous who he is making the ask for. i think there's some ambiguity going on there. that helps to say, hey, this was really nothing of any import. >> so there's this sort of ambiguity always in this universe. you have a the secretary of state whose husband used to be the president of the united states and has a big, powerful foundation, independent relationships with people all over the world. in some level i was surprised there wasn't more of this e-mail dump.
in my head, people must be e-mailing all the time, you should hire them. remember when hillary clinton was nominated for secretary of state in 2009 she pledged she was going to distance herself from the clinton foundation and the billions of philanthropic work it did. she would not take part in the business of the foundation. there's nothing in the e-mails that shows she personally played any role in that. what seems to have happened and there are 40 odd e-mails at play here in this latest batch of documents is that her, two of her top aides, huma abedin and cheryl mills were in contact early on in clinton's tenure as secretary of state with doug band and others at the foundation about matters of
common interest. there's no smoking gun here as much as the republicans might like to think there is, showing ah-ha, so and so who had business interest in africa or the middle east pro- profited if their access to the clintons, but there's a bit of a coziness that shows that doug band could get almost instant responses from hillary clinton's top people about matters of interest to clinton foundation donors. that's an access and coziness that wouldn't have been afforded to most people. >> thank you for that. >> thank you. ahead, if there is an olympic medal for spinning hillary clinton conspiracies, hannity would be michael phelps. that's next.
>> meaningful endorsement in every way. >> have you talked about vice presidential possibilities with senator warren? >> you have to try the cold -- it is dlirns. >> that last one is so odd to me. what's your take. >> it is hard to guess based on the snippets of what is going on without a full examination. >> look at this voochlt watch her reaction. i'm not -- it almost seems seizuresque to me. is that -- >> there are vocal seizures that can sometimes cause one body part but it would be rare. typically seizures would generalize. i can't say it is a seizure. it could be stress. >> are there many seizures like
that. >> i'm not a neurologist and i don't think it necessarily looks like a seizure. >> let's rerack that. what do you think it is. >> that is sean hannity attempting to diagnose vice presidential nominee hillary clinton with a medical condition. that clip is circulated in right wing circles on-line, sometimes in slo-mo to suggest she is experiencing a medical issue rather than playfully reacting to reporter questions. >> talk about vice presidential possibilities with senator warren. >> you have to try the cold -- >> that is one of several alleged pieces of evidence that clinton health truthers are using. this is an actual thing. in conservative media. drudge highlighted this photo of clinton suggesting she needed help due to a health condition. of course there's no mention of the photo is taken six months
ago or the reuters kampgs saying she slipped on a step, which people do. i spent a little time going down the whatever it is, rabbit hole in this. three nights in a row sean hannity has had medical experts on the show and played tape to diagnose hillary clinton. >> i don't know where he thinks this is going to go. the thing is you create your own reality and it comes back to hurt you. when hillary clinton is not having seizures and when she does not lose votes because people do not believe she's having seizure and when she doesn't have to leave the race for medical reasons you have not spent your time coming up with a way to beat her in the election. similar to -- >> this year's version of poll skewing. if people don't remember, there was an alternative movement
among conservatives, it worked its way to a lot of people who said the poll showing barack obama was going to beat mitt romney were skewed. there was a site devoted to it. there is media bias and turned out they were right. >> gallup was different and more favorable to romney. there was some difference of opinion among polling. you are seeing poll skewing again. they have way too many democrats in the sample, everyone is a polling expert when their candidate is down ten points. >> to be fair there's been a lot of armchair medical diagnosis of donald trump, narcissistic personality disorder, other personality disorder, soesh yop think, things like that. >> if it were a case that
prominent liberals were having psychologist on the show to rack clips of them that would be a bad idea. >> it goes to your candidate, if a major candidate donald trump is going after from crisis to crisis you need something to talk about that hillary clinton is going from crisis, having a seizure, falling down the stairs. there's an idea that you need to get -- i think people worried about your candidate, especially moderate republicans who are pulling their hairs out, here's sean hannity saying look, let's talk about this. >> here's trump weirdly playing with this a little bit when he is talking to hugh hewitt. he is talking about how she's a mess and sleeps too much. take a listen. >> if you look at her and you listen to the secret service
agent that wrote the book, she's a mess, a total mess. she will do an event and you don't hear from her. i think she goes home and goes to sleep. you follow her, just follow where she goes. you know, she'll do an event, make a short speech off the teleprompter and then goes home and goes to sleep. i tell you, she's dangerous. >> it's a sign of emotional health to stay up all night tweeting. >> i'm going home to sleep after this. >> i like people -- i'm a huge fan of people who does stuff and goes to sleep. people that nap. >> here's donald trump, the man that speaks like us, has these same feelings as us. the idea he is going and doing prnal attacks that aren't about her policies. he could be talking about clinton foundation, e-mails. he could be talking about her interview with the fbi, honing in on those things.
in some ways he thinks this will work for him. but people that are hoping are frustrated by this. >> donald trump has sounded tired last few days. maybe there's something wrong. many people are saying. >> see, right. this is part of it, too. many people are saying conspiracies are always moving. alex jones, the completely bonkers conspiracy theorist that thinks the newtown massacre was a false lag and million other of these. he said it is surreal to hear donald trump saying his words. >> validation. >> it is like, you are right. i agree with you for once. completely surreal. >> 2000 presidential debates there was fever swamp whether george bush had a microphone. >> we talked about this. >> and they wanted pictures of it.
i was like come on. >> that was a whole, many a daily coast diary were devoted to the mythical, the bulge in his back. >> the bulge in the back. >> i covered a trump rally, a trump supporter rally put on by his supporter ens and alex jones was the keynote speaker. a lot of people were celebrating the fact he was going to be embraced by a main stream party. the idea this conspiracies are welcomed in to people who are supporting donald trump is in some ways interesting. >> dr. ben carson was also doing remote diagnosis tonight. thank you for staying up late with me tonight. really appreciate it. >> excellent company. rachel maddow starts now. see you tomorrow.
>> we will see you at 11:00 a. little rest. rachel has the night off. we begin in the middle of march in the year 2004. one year sense the u.s. launched its invasion of iraq. this was just a couple weeks after john kerry swept through the super tuesday primary states and become the presumptive democratic nominee to the president. the general election matchup was set, kerry, bush. george w. bush the incumbent president and president bush called john kerry, the night of his big super tuesday wins and congratulated him. said he looked forward to the fight in the fall. then bush's campaign did something that wasn't very grabs or magnanimous, they went after kerry very hard. they went after him on the issue that many voters thought was supposed to be the strength for john kerry, remember he was a vietnam war hero. support for the war hero is when the campaign started.